In chapter four, “The Interview,” it was interesting how Roger Chillingsworth spoke to Hester about how he knew she never loved him and how he did not blame her for what happened. He talks about how he was unworthy of her youthful beauty, and how it was his mistake that he thought “intellectual gifts might veil physical deformity in a young girl’s fantasy,” (491). Hester, who is upset by this, says that she did not ever pretend to love him, and that she was always honest with him. Chillingsworth says that they have “wronged each other,” (492), and so he does not feel the need for revenge towards her. However, “the man lives who has wronged us both!” (492). This is the beginning of Chillingsworth’s manic, unrelenting search for the man who is Pearl’s father. Hester refuses to tell Chillingsworth who the man is, which only increases his desire to find him. It becomes an obsession, and Chillingsworth pours everything he has into finding and punishing this mystery man. This also seems to be his way for punishing Hester, because Chillingsworth knows that she is trying to protect the man by not speaking his name.